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I am a methodological naturalist, but I don think that all supernatural claims defy scientific analysis. Moreover, I don see that the methodological/philosophical distinction has a lot to do with the dissonance between faith canada goose outlet las vegas and science. The real dissonance, as I have repeatedly emphasized, is between the scientific acceptance of only canada goose outlet nyc those claims adjudicated by empirical investigation, and the religious acceptance of claims that are discovered by revelation (or instruction by one parents) and are unfalsifiable. These are two fundamentally different and incompatible ways of ascertaining In fact, I don see that religion has any way at all of ascertaining since its claims cannot be falsified. The fact that the major of different religions are in permanent and irresolvable conflict testifies to this difference between science and faith. Let go over what canada goose jacket outlet uk Mooney claimed. He relies heavily on Rob Pennock superb book Tower of Babel when claiming that science cannot test the supernatural.
The Jerry Coyne debate reached temporary hiatus late last week with Coyne invoking Rosenhouse to defend himself against my charge that he has violated the methodological vs. philosophical naturalism distinction. Coyne doesn’t appear to think he commits this foul; and yet he writes in The New Republic, in a line not quoted by Rosenhouse, that “supernatural phenomena are not completely beyond the realm of science.”
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It is hard to see how Coyne thinks he can canada goose outlet store uk include supernatural phenomena within the purview of science without directly addressing the whole MN/PN matter, and indeed, wholly rejecting the MN/PN distinction canada goose outlet canada as outlined by someone like Pennock. Let’s face it: “supernatural phenomena are not completely beyond the realm of science” is a canada goose outlet in canada pretty extraordinary assertion. Indeed, as far as I can tell it is a contradiction in terms.
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Well, maybe you can claim that any phenomenon amenable to scientific study must by definition not be supernatural. This is a philosophical/semantic argument that I don want to get into. It doesn seem important. Clearly, the claim that prayer works (or that moral people get cancer less often than immoral people) is a claim that science can study. Clearly, the claim that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus burial cloth can be investigated scientifically. Clearly, the claim that some religious icons weep blood, water, or milk, can be studied scientifically. And believe me, if the Shroud of Turin were shown to have been made around 30 AD, religious people would have trumpeted it to the skies. When it was shown to be a forgery, the faithful claimed that their faith didn depend on such claims. Ditto with the efficacy of prayer. Does anybody doubt that if the intercessory study had shown a significant effect of prayer, it would have been trumpeted from pulpits the following Sunday?
And despite my admiration for Pennock book, which I still think is the best analysis of intelligent design creationism around, I think he dead wrong when he says, we have no control over supernatural entities or forces; hence these cannot be scientifically studied. Just because we can control canada goose outlet toronto God and how he responds to prayer doesn mean that we can study whether prayer works.
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